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BIO: Hillary Walsh
A former foster care and juvi-kid turned lawyer, Hillary Walsh helps immigrants live free in the United States. Outside of New Frontier, she is an adjunct law professor, mother of four, military wife, and an avid Phoenix Suns fan. In the past 10+ years of practicing immigration law, she’s represented clients before the U.S Supreme Court, the Supreme Court of Nevada, the Ninth, Sixth, and Fifth Circuit Courts of Appeals, the Board of Immigration Appeals, and immigration courts nationwide. Hillary believes that there is a solution for every problem, and she injects that relentlessness into her approach to immigration law.
Additionally, Hillary is a mother of four, a military wife, a law professor, and an award-winning immigration lawyer. She has 10 years of experience winning appeals, hearings in Immigration Court, and has represented appeals in the U.S. Supreme court. You can feel assured that she will do everything within her legal means to help you or your loved one.
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Transcript: Taking The Fear Out Of Immigration, With Hillary Walsh
00:00:00 Patrick Martin LCSW
What led you to wanting to become an attorney, and specifically immigration?
00:00:04 Patrick Martin LCSW
That’s a very specialized field and very difficult, I imagine.
00:00:07 Hillary Walsh
I could connect somehow with a population who was.
00:00:14 Hillary Walsh
The expectation was too high, the punishment too severe.
00:00:20 Hillary Walsh
And I I think I could just really relate with that.
00:00:22 Hillary Walsh
And so over the years, especially through law school, I really latched onto it.
00:00:27 Hillary Walsh
And immigration law is also really complex to have the emotional complexity of keeping a family together, combined with some of the most complex areas of the law possible, and you marry those things together.
00:00:41 Hillary Walsh
And you have.
00:00:42 Hillary Walsh
Immigration law, and it’s a ton of fun.
00:00:44 Patrick Martin LCSW
Are you or someone you know struggling with the challenges of immigration will then stick around?
00:00:49 Patrick Martin LCSW
Because in this episode of the mental Health Toolbox, we’re talking with leading immigration attorney Hillary Walsh, who takes the fear out of immigration so you can focus on Libby.
00:01:00 Patrick Martin LCSW
So let’s go.
00:01:03 Patrick Martin LCSW
A former foster care and juvie kid turned lawyer, Hillary Wolf helps immigrants live free in the United States.
00:01:11 Patrick Martin LCSW
Outside of her company new friend here, she’s an adjunct law professor, mother of four military wife and an avid Phoenix Suns fan.
00:01:20 Patrick Martin LCSW
In the past 10 plus years of practicing immigration law, she’s represented clients before the US Supreme Court, the Supreme Court of Nevada, the 9th 6.
00:01:31 Patrick Martin LCSW
And 5th Circuit Court of Appeals.
00:01:33 Patrick Martin LCSW
The board then Gratien appeals and immigration courts nationwide.
00:01:38 Patrick Martin LCSW
Hillary believes that there is a solution for every problem, and she injects that relentlessness into her approach to immigration law.
00:01:46 Patrick Martin LCSW
Hillary Walsh started her immigration law firm in 2019 and grew it to multiple million dollar annual revenues within two years.
00:01:55 Patrick Martin LCSW
She serves an undocumented Spanish speaking client base, yet does not speak Spanish herself.
00:02:01 Patrick Martin LCSW
This, for her, is proof that communicating the value of your service is not done.
00:02:06 Patrick Martin LCSW
True words.
00:02:08 Patrick Martin LCSW
It is done through a feeling.
00:02:10 Patrick Martin LCSW
When Hillary US Air Force husband job landed the family in Phoenix in 2018, she couldn’t find work as an immigration lawyer because she didn’t speak Spanish.
00:02:20 Patrick Martin LCSW
Facing hefty daycare costs for four young children, she knew she had to make money if she wanted to work.
00:02:27 Patrick Martin LCSW
So with no book of business, no contacts.
00:02:30 Patrick Martin LCSW
And no clients.
00:02:31 Patrick Martin LCSW
She started new frontier.
00:02:34 Patrick Martin LCSW
And migration services on January 1st, 2019. Fast forward and she broke the $1,000,000 barrier in 2020 and a $2,000,000 barrier in 2021. Her firm is currently on a $4.8 million run rate with over 75 employees.
00:02:54 Patrick Martin LCSW
And while she has big goals to become one of the only female owned businesses to earn more than 10 million in annual revenue, which only 4.2% currently do, it’s not the money that really moves her.
00:03:06 Patrick Martin LCSW
It’s about setting a new standard for what people particularly women and girls are capable of in the US if they can live free.
00:03:15 Patrick Martin LCSW
A country that not that long ago did not allow women to take out a business loan without a male cosigner until 1988 or even have acting leadership roles.
00:03:28 Patrick Martin LCSW
You can learn more about Hillary’s work by visiting New Frontier US.
00:03:33 Patrick Martin LCSW
So let’s dive in.
00:03:43 Patrick Martin LCSW
Hello Hillary, and thank you so much for making time to be on the mental health Toolbox Video podcast today.
00:03:50 Patrick Martin LCSW
I really, really appreciate your time and willingness to share your wisdom and services with our community.
00:03:56 Hillary Walsh
Yeah. Thank you for.
00:03:57 Hillary Walsh
Having me, I’m excited to be.
00:04:00 Patrick Martin LCSW
So much to dive into.
00:04:01 Patrick Martin LCSW
I have never had an immigration attorney on, so this will be fun.
00:04:06 Patrick Martin LCSW
It’s near and dear to my heart as a social worker.
00:04:08 Patrick Martin LCSW
First therapist.
00:04:09 Patrick Martin LCSW
2nd is social justice and helping those who can’t get the help they need straight away.
00:04:16 Patrick Martin LCSW
So I love the work you do.
00:04:19 Patrick Martin LCSW
I’m excited to dive in.
00:04:20 Patrick Martin LCSW
And so I don’t speak for you.
00:04:22 Patrick Martin LCSW
Perhaps you can let our audience know what it is you do and what you’d like to share today.
00:04:28 Hillary Walsh
Hi, thank you so much.
00:04:29 Hillary Walsh
I hope undocumented immigrants live free in the United States, so we of course can help people who are legally here and have work authorization or whatever it may be.
00:04:40 Hillary Walsh
A lot of.
00:04:41 Hillary Walsh
Canadians come and they end up getting married and want to stay, and so they’re not ever undocumented, but my real passion.
00:04:48 Hillary Walsh
Lies in helping people who don’t have papers get papers and then the best is when they are able to leave the country and go home for the first time and sometimes.
00:05:00 Hillary Walsh
Decades and see their families in their home country and then of course return with ease and with papers and live life in a much freer way.
00:05:09 Hillary Walsh
So that’s what I do.
00:05:10 Patrick Martin LCSW
That is fantastic.
00:05:12 Patrick Martin LCSW
I can’t tell you how many stories I’ve heard from clients who are between a rock and a hard place when it comes to family and obligations and loyalties and providing and also making those very, very tough decisions about.
00:05:25 Patrick Martin LCSW
Wanting to be with the ones they love, right?
00:05:27 Patrick Martin LCSW
And not necessarily having the freedom to do so or being fear of deportation and being sent away from their family.
00:05:33 Patrick Martin LCSW
And there’s so many nuances I’m sure many of our listeners are are already familiar with and perhaps living that nightmare right it is.
00:05:42 Hillary Walsh
It is a nightmare and I think a.
00:05:44 Hillary Walsh
Lot of people.
00:05:45 Hillary Walsh
Assume that the legal process is straightforward for being able to legalize your status.
00:05:51 Hillary Walsh
And unfortunately, our immigration laws are structured in a way that’s really dumb prejudice against people of color, people from Mexico, in particular, the Philippines, China.
00:06:02 Hillary Walsh
This is just the way our country has always been, regrettably and.
00:06:07 Hillary Walsh
I would love.
00:06:08 Hillary Walsh
To see immigration reform like massive immigration reform.
00:06:12 Hillary Walsh
I almost say within my lifetime, but I really want to see in the next 10 years.
00:06:15 Hillary Walsh
So I I really expect to outlive, and immigration reform be something that’s in my rearview mirror and that’s I’m going to be part of that and that’s what’s super excited.
00:06:24 Patrick Martin LCSW
No doubt, no doubt.
00:06:25 Patrick Martin LCSW
I did a little digging on your background, and you’ve made quite the traction in very little time, so.
00:06:30 Patrick Martin LCSW
As our audience will soon learn, so come what?
00:06:34 Patrick Martin LCSW
We know, you know, you’ve been in the legal field for, what, 10 years, 11 years?
00:06:39 Hillary Walsh
Yeah, this is me in October will be like my 10-year anniversary of getting sworn in as an attorney.
00:06:45 Hillary Walsh
’cause you take the bar and probably you’re familiar with this in.
00:06:48 Hillary Walsh
Your field you.
00:06:49 Hillary Walsh
Take the exam.
00:06:50 Hillary Walsh
They have to wait a long time.
00:06:51 Hillary Walsh
And so I graduated.
00:06:52 Hillary Walsh
Law school 10 years ago this year and it’s hard to believe how fast 10 years goes.
00:06:58 Patrick Martin LCSW
No kidding.
00:06:59 Patrick Martin LCSW
No kidding.
00:07:00 Patrick Martin LCSW
I’m in the same boat going on, uh, eleven years in a post grad so.
00:07:05 Speaker 3
Yeah, I’m fine.
00:07:05 Hillary Walsh
I don’t know when you know.
00:07:06 Hillary Walsh
We we regard ourselves as air quote baby lawyers and you’re like oh, I’m a baby lawyer and you’re and then one day you’re no you’re you are fully loaded and you’re respected and.
00:07:18 Hillary Walsh
You know you have St cred, and I don’t know when that transition happens, but.
00:07:22 Patrick Martin LCSW
Yeah, no idea.
00:07:23 Patrick Martin LCSW
I’m with you.
00:07:23 Patrick Martin LCSW
I’m like, I don’t know, but it happened somewhere along.
00:07:25 Patrick Martin LCSW
Somewhere along the line.
00:07:27 Hillary Walsh
And maybe it’s.
00:07:28 Hillary Walsh
Belief maybe all of a sudden then you’re just like, no, I just believe it about myself now, and maybe it’s.
00:07:33 Hillary Walsh
Not a certain number of years, but yes.
00:07:34 Patrick Martin LCSW
We own it, right? Yeah.
00:07:38 Patrick Martin LCSW
So you’ve been in legal field for going on a decade now?
00:07:43
But what about?
00:07:44 Patrick Martin LCSW
Before that, what what led you to wanting to become an attorney?
00:07:48 Patrick Martin LCSW
And specifically, immigration?
00:07:50 Patrick Martin LCSW
That’s a very specialized field and very difficult, I imagine, you know, to swallow.
00:07:56 Hillary Walsh
Well, I was in foster care for a really short time when I was a teenager, and my family didn’t have any run in with the law or anything like that.
00:08:04 Hillary Walsh
It wasn’t.
00:08:06 Hillary Walsh
I think we think of kids in foster care, and we have a stereotype in mind.
00:08:12 Hillary Walsh
Maybe from like, watching Annie as a kid, but I was not that stereotype.
00:08:17 Hillary Walsh
We had a perfect from the outside we had a perfect family and inside we had dysfunction and alcohol abuse and domestic violence.
00:08:26 Hillary Walsh
But we knew how to show up when we were on the outside so much.
00:08:29 Hillary Walsh
Like built performers we were, we were trained performers, all of us.
00:08:35 Hillary Walsh
Isn’t that funny about life?
00:08:37 Hillary Walsh
Because I’m sure in your in your role.
00:08:40
As a social.
00:08:41 Hillary Walsh
Worker and therapist you see people who they.
00:08:43 Hillary Walsh
Know how to.
00:08:44 Hillary Walsh
Perform on the outside, but on the inside they have so much that they’re wrestling with and.
00:08:49 Patrick Martin LCSW
Oh, absolutely.
00:08:49 Hillary Walsh
That that is.
00:08:50 Hillary Walsh
For sure, my background, probably even to some extent, we do it even you and I are doing it even today.
00:08:58 Hillary Walsh
I think like.
00:08:59 Hillary Walsh
We’re all just trying to show up and.
00:09:01 Hillary Walsh
Put our best face.
00:09:02 Hillary Walsh
Forward on some level, but I got put in foster care just for.
00:09:07 Hillary Walsh
About a nine-week period, and it was during that time when I had my first real interaction with the legal process and I think that laid the foundation.
00:09:17 Hillary Walsh
I was 15 men, but I think that laid the foundation for.
00:09:21 Hillary Walsh
You’re going to do something and this isn’t going to be the last time you’re in this courtroom.
00:09:25 Hillary Walsh
I didn’t.
00:09:25 Hillary Walsh
I don’t remember ever.
00:09:26 Hillary Walsh
Thinking those thoughts.
00:09:28 Hillary Walsh
But when it was time for me to go to a courtroom again after I was already in law school?
00:09:35 Hillary Walsh
You’re just not as scared like there’s a whole other feeling when you go in as a legal representative versus as a defendant or a plaintiff or victim.
00:09:45 Hillary Walsh
You know, it’s your face on the line.
00:09:47 Hillary Walsh
But I went into immigration, I think, because.
00:09:53 Hillary Walsh
I I could.
00:09:54 Hillary Walsh
Connect somehow with a a population who was.
00:10:00 Hillary Walsh
The expectation was too high, the punishment too severe, and I I think I could just really relate with that.
00:10:08 Hillary Walsh
And so over the years, especially through law school, I really latched onto it.
00:10:13 Hillary Walsh
And immigration law is.
00:10:14 Hillary Walsh
Also really complex.
00:10:16 Hillary Walsh
To have the emotional complexity of keeping a family together.
00:10:20 Hillary Walsh
Combined with some of the most complex.
00:10:23 Hillary Walsh
Areas of the law.
00:10:25 Hillary Walsh
And you marry those things together and you have immigration law and it’s a ton of fun.
00:10:31 Patrick Martin LCSW
Wow, sounds like it also sounds like a lot to take on.
00:10:35 Hillary Walsh
It is every day you hope that you are doing this the correct way.
00:10:39 Hillary Walsh
When President Trump was the president, we almost daily had a a new guideline issued or a new executive order and so sometimes you would go to court and you would hope that one of your.
00:10:54 Hillary Walsh
Other one of the other attorneys would go first because you didn’t know what the new change of the day was going to.
00:11:03 Hillary Walsh
Be but you.
00:11:03 Hillary Walsh
Were probably going to find out about it in real time because the immigration judges were briefed every morning on the new changes, which we of course didn’t have that offered.
00:11:13 Hillary Walsh
So you are playing with dumb.
00:11:15 Hillary Walsh
You’re playing with real lives and hoping that you don’t mess anything up every single day.
00:11:22 Patrick Martin LCSW
And that I always imagine, you know, when you’re an attorney, especially when you’re doing like the public defender, criminal attorney, family law, immigration.
00:11:32 Patrick Martin LCSW
The stress, the amount of responsibility on your shoulders, how do you, how do you manage that on? It’s kind of a side note, you know, just wondering about self-care and it’s a therapist to me.
00:11:43 Patrick Martin LCSW
But I’m wondering, like how do you, how do you manage that stress?
00:11:46 Patrick Martin LCSW
How do you?
00:11:46 Patrick Martin LCSW
I’m sure by now you probably have some.
00:11:49 Patrick Martin LCSW
Some pretty good understanding of what you were coping mechanisms are right.
00:11:54 Hillary Walsh
Well, I sometimes it’s trial and error.
00:11:54 Patrick Martin LCSW
What is that right?
00:11:56 Hillary Walsh
I can tell you, after years of diligent research, it’s not at the bottom of a wine bottle.
00:12:03 Patrick Martin LCSW
Well, that’s good. Which is.
00:12:05 Hillary Walsh
Easy, though, which is now.
00:12:06 Hillary Walsh
I can if, if anyone wondering, I can save you the trouble and thousands of dollars to let you know that alcohol is not going to make any of your problems go away and they’re just going to be there waiting for you.
00:12:19 Hillary Walsh
On the other side of it, I quit drinking about a year and some months ago.
00:12:24 Hillary Walsh
My husband and I both decided that alcohol we wanted to take a 90.
00:12:27 Hillary Walsh
Day break and then.
00:12:28 Hillary Walsh
We’ve just never.
00:12:28 Hillary Walsh
Gone back.
00:12:29 Hillary Walsh
And that was an area where I was really hiding out and trying to numb out because it was a very there’s a joke in in the legal field that people are renting space in your mind and that’s what they’re actually paying you for, for your legal services.
00:12:44 Hillary Walsh
Is to have that.
00:12:45 Hillary Walsh
Space and sometimes the crowd is quite large and you learn to love these clients.
00:12:53 Hillary Walsh
And for me, I really fall in love with their children.
00:12:56 Hillary Walsh
They bring their kids in and they’re my kids ages and you just connect with them on this.
00:13:01 Hillary Walsh
Whole other level, then just a mom to a mom.
00:13:04 Hillary Walsh
It’s like mom and now I.
00:13:06 Hillary Walsh
Also see your.
00:13:06 Hillary Walsh
Kid, and you are like, I am fighting for you.
00:13:10 Hillary Walsh
I’m not fighting for thousands of immigrants.
00:13:12 Hillary Walsh
The focus shifts to just this one person.
00:13:18 Hillary Walsh
I think that learning I I read the four agreements really early on.
00:13:23 Hillary Walsh
On yeah, it is a classic comic Don San.
00:13:26 Hillary Walsh
Miguel, I think, is his name.
00:13:28 Hillary Walsh
And really evaluating whether I had done my best was a lot of freedom from guilt because we lose an immigration law a lot.
00:13:39 Hillary Walsh
I think that, and it’s not because our clients don’t have rate cases, it’s because the.
00:13:48 Hillary Walsh
The deck is stacked against them.
00:13:50 Hillary Walsh
So it’s really.
00:13:50 Hillary Walsh
Hard to overcome that sometimes, and so we we lose a lot.
00:13:54 Hillary Walsh
Criminal defense attorneys do as well.
00:13:56 Hillary Walsh
It’s just part of the process.
00:13:58 Hillary Walsh
That doesn’t mean you don’t walk around.
00:14:00 Hillary Walsh
With a lot of guilt that what if I?
00:14:03 Hillary Walsh
Didn’t do enough.
00:14:05 Hillary Walsh
So it is.
00:14:05 Hillary Walsh
Really a constant evaluation of.
00:14:07 Hillary Walsh
Did I really do my best?
00:14:09 Hillary Walsh
And if you didn’t, it’s time to get.
00:14:10 Hillary Walsh
It’s time to get right with the Lord and and.
00:14:14 Hillary Walsh
Figure it out, you know.
00:14:14 Patrick Martin LCSW
Right now we’re not going to sleep at.
00:14:16 Hillary Walsh
Night, right?
00:14:17 Hillary Walsh
Otherwise you’re not going to sleep.
00:14:18 Hillary Walsh
At night so.
00:14:19 Hillary Walsh
Uhm, that has been the greatest freedom for me is to truly evaluate whether I’ve done my best.
00:14:25 Hillary Walsh
And now my business advisor was saying, I I think that your standard of excellence, it’s fine until it starts, it starts limiting you because.
00:14:34 Hillary Walsh
No one is ever going to meet that standard of excellence and.
00:14:38 Hillary Walsh
It is. It is.
00:14:39 Hillary Walsh
A constant inquiry am I doing my?
00:14:41 Hillary Walsh
Best is my standard of excellence too high?
00:14:44 Hillary Walsh
And and that has been.
00:14:46 Hillary Walsh
That’s a good self-care tool.
00:14:49 Patrick Martin LCSW
Very well said.
00:14:50 Patrick Martin LCSW
Thank you so much for sharing that aspect of it.
00:14:51 Patrick Martin LCSW
And I now sometimes.
00:14:53 Patrick Martin LCSW
It’s not something like you said, we lead with our struggles, right?
00:14:57 Patrick Martin LCSW
But the human aspect of being in a high, high demand position, right?
00:15:02 Patrick Martin LCSW
I recently had somebody on who was an expert in executive burnout, and it’s serious stuff, and he talked about his.
00:15:08 Patrick Martin LCSW
Battle with addiction.
00:15:10 Patrick Martin LCSW
Alcohol and depression and as a result of trying to.
00:15:14 Patrick Martin LCSW
Hold all the things right and then and then, you know, manage yourself care too.
00:15:19 Patrick Martin LCSW
And something usually gives right if we keep pushing.
00:15:22 Patrick Martin LCSW
So thank you for sharing.
00:15:22 Hillary Walsh
Yeah, I had health issues and all sorts of things crop up and you know, it was when you’re running a business, trying to, especially in the early stages of the pandemic, it was very stressful because all of us didn’t know how we were going to.
00:15:39 Hillary Walsh
And all of us were watching Tiger King and getting drunk at night I.
00:15:42 Hillary Walsh
Think that was like a?
00:15:43 Hillary Walsh
Huge part of the American fabric during that time.
00:15:47 Hillary Walsh
And then you have to show up to work the next day and try to be your best version of you.
00:15:52 Hillary Walsh
And and although although Tiger King was a time, I don’t think it brought out the best in anybody.
00:15:58 Hillary Walsh
So, uhm, it is it is a season of my life that I’m really happy that I experienced ’cause.
00:16:04 Hillary Walsh
I can see other people going through it and I remember being in that position and it’s just sometimes you have to set down things that don’t serve you anymore.
00:16:13 Hillary Walsh
And for me that was alcohol.
00:16:15 Patrick Martin LCSW
Wow, a lot of self-exploration, right?
00:16:19 Patrick Martin LCSW
To figure out what those things are, the levers you can pull, even the seemingly small ones that really free up.
00:16:24 Patrick Martin LCSW
Room for personal development and stability, right?
00:16:28 Hillary Walsh
For sure.
00:16:29 Hillary Walsh
And breaking, I mean breaking the barrier of what you believe about yourself when you have an alcoholic parent and you see that behavior.
00:16:36 Hillary Walsh
It’s easy to also replicate.
00:16:39 Hillary Walsh
It but I really want to live a life.
00:16:41 Hillary Walsh
Life of greatness.
00:16:43 Hillary Walsh
And not that my parents didn’t, but they’re not the ceiling of what I can achieve and be.
00:16:47 Hillary Walsh
So I get to see them as a wonderful model and now I’m going to improve on that.
00:16:52 Hillary Walsh
I’m going to get to be the two point.
00:16:54 Hillary Walsh
Oh, version of that.
00:16:55 Patrick Martin LCSW
That’s a beautiful vision, you know, I love that, respecting where we come from, but understanding that we don’t necessary.
00:17:01 Patrick Martin LCSW
We have to just do what we know or what was modeled for us, that you can create your own journey, your own path, your own.
00:17:07 Patrick Martin LCSW
Why, right?
00:17:08 Patrick Martin LCSW
And my mom and.
00:17:09 Hillary Walsh
Dad have always believed that about us as kids and spoke that into us.
00:17:14 Hillary Walsh
And I’m very grateful for that that, you know, I didn’t.
00:17:17 Hillary Walsh
Have this as.
00:17:18 Hillary Walsh
A kid, but we’re going to make sure that you get.
00:17:20 Hillary Walsh
It and I didn’t have this.
00:17:21 Hillary Walsh
But you’re going to have it, I think, generationally.
00:17:24 Hillary Walsh
We all want to give the next generation that gift.
00:17:27 Hillary Walsh
But without a.
00:17:29 Hillary Walsh
View of competition my parents are very successful.
00:17:33 Hillary Walsh
Uhm, our success and our aspirations are just different.
00:17:40 Patrick Martin LCSW
And to have the freedom to to know that you have their support, you know, to to not necessarily just follow the same mold, but do your own thing.
00:17:48 Patrick Martin LCSW
And I think there’s a lot to be said for.
00:17:48 Speaker 3
Yeah, it’s been.
00:17:49 Patrick Martin LCSW
That that encourage autonomy, right?
00:17:51 Hillary Walsh
Yeah, it’s been fun because my parents.
00:17:54 Hillary Walsh
Are both I?
00:17:56 Hillary Walsh
Don’t know to the extent I could say fans of President Trump, but they’re both.
00:18:02 Hillary Walsh
They’re both very vocal supporters and voters for President Trump.
00:18:06 Hillary Walsh
And I I’m not.
00:18:09 Hillary Walsh
I I would probably be on the opposite end of that spectrum and not to make this political, but just simply to illustrate that even with that in mind that we can still be so supportive of each other.
00:18:21 Hillary Walsh
And my dad is my biggest fan I was on.
00:18:25 Hillary Walsh
LA Spectrum a few weeks ago and they gave me the questions they were going to ask.
00:18:29 Hillary Walsh
In advance, and it was a.
00:18:31 Hillary Walsh
There was a hard question in there, and I’m always mindful that I’m not speaking.
00:18:35 Hillary Walsh
I I can speak to a person who’s already an immigrant advocate and we’re going to be preaching to the choir.
00:18:42 Hillary Walsh
They’re not the.
00:18:42 Hillary Walsh
Person I need to just.
00:18:44 Hillary Walsh
Do essentially a drip campaign of these are human beings, these are not the masses.
00:18:50 Hillary Walsh
This is war in life, one person and that’s that kid impacts my kid, impacts your kids, impacts my country like we are all related.
00:18:59 Hillary Walsh
Uhm, so I reached out to my dad.
00:19:02 Hillary Walsh
I said.
00:19:02 Hillary Walsh
Dad, they’re going to ask me this question.
00:19:03 Hillary Walsh
What do I say?
00:19:05 Hillary Walsh
And his response was so full of empathy and love and.
00:19:11 Hillary Walsh
I mean and I think that that being able to have that open dialogue across party lines, I can, I can get to do that in my family.
00:19:19 Hillary Walsh
I know we can do that as a country, so there is a lot of freedom in that.
00:19:23 Hillary Walsh
It is the perfect word for it.
00:19:26 Patrick Martin LCSW
I love the message of hope and inclusiveness, right?
00:19:29 Patrick Martin LCSW
And to remember that, yes, these causes are not just causes.
00:19:33 Patrick Martin LCSW
They’re not just.
00:19:35 Patrick Martin LCSW
Uh, model of philosophy, right?
00:19:39 Patrick Martin LCSW
Or politics?
00:19:40 Patrick Martin LCSW
These are people.
00:19:41 Patrick Martin LCSW
Right.
00:19:42 Patrick Martin LCSW
And you, you’re the trenches with them and you see, you know how decisions made at the top effect the individual, right?
00:19:49 Patrick Martin LCSW
Then I’m glad that you you’re reminding us all of that.
00:19:53 Patrick Martin LCSW
That’s very important.
00:19:54 Hillary Walsh
Yeah, we have so much in common.
00:19:54 Patrick Martin LCSW
It’s at the core of your work.
00:19:56 Speaker 3
Right. Yeah.
00:19:56 Hillary Walsh
We have so much in common.
00:19:59 Hillary Walsh
It’s uhm, it’s sad to me that we live in a time where the difference is.
00:20:06 Hillary Walsh
You are disgusting.
00:20:10 Hillary Walsh
There’s a I have 4 little kids and there’s an Amy Poehler movie that’s a cartoon inside out.
00:20:16 Hillary Walsh
I don’t know if you’ve seen it, but you should.
00:20:18 Patrick Martin LCSW
I don’t think so.
00:20:19 Hillary Walsh
Oh, you will love it.
00:20:20 Hillary Walsh
You will love it in in your field.
00:20:22 Patrick Martin LCSW
Taking notes now.
00:20:23 Hillary Walsh
Yes, you have to.
00:20:24 Hillary Walsh
See it and uhm.
00:20:27 Hillary Walsh
It’s precious, but it is of course for kids, but it’s a way for us to.
00:20:30 Hillary Walsh
Understand the different ways that we think about things.
00:20:33 Hillary Walsh
And of course Amy Poehler is very clever and.
00:20:36 Hillary Walsh
I just love her.
00:20:40 Hillary Walsh
The emotions that we have in the way that we view things.
00:20:45 Hillary Walsh
We get to choose.
00:20:46 Hillary Walsh
How we see things and we can see them with joy and we can see them with and these are the different people who are, in this little girl’s mind, helping control.
00:20:55 Patrick Martin LCSW
Been since I’ve seen snatches and grabs of it.
00:20:57 Patrick Martin LCSW
It’s like the core emotions, the core memories, the feelings, and everything serves a purpose, right?
00:21:00 Hillary Walsh
Memories, yes.
00:21:01 Hillary Walsh
My favorite is when there’s the I I lost my train of thought and a train goes through and like, it just goes off into nowhere.
00:21:08 Hillary Walsh
And it’s like I can completely relate.
00:21:09 Hillary Walsh
And I don’t know if it’s like, yeah, then the train comes back on the tracks and it is a really.
00:21:10 Patrick Martin LCSW
Can’t we go?
00:21:14 Hillary Walsh
Cute way to illustrate.
00:21:16 Hillary Walsh
What goes on in our mind and how that?
00:21:18 Hillary Walsh
Manifests in our body, but uhm, I wish that we could get to a place where differences actually, because I believe this is what makes us as a country so great is that I’ve lived in very homogeneous countries and seeing what it’s like.
00:21:34 Hillary Walsh
Just to be sort.
00:21:35 Hillary Walsh
Of different I remember going for a jog.
00:21:38 Hillary Walsh
When we were stationed in Korea.
00:21:39 Hillary Walsh
My husband’s in the air.
00:21:40 Hillary Walsh
Force and I’m a white lady with dark.
00:21:44 Hillary Walsh
At the time I had very dark long brown hair and I had on a cap in sunglasses, so in my mind I look Korean.
00:21:54 Hillary Walsh
Apparently I turn really pink when I jog and so I give myself away as not being all of beautiful olive toned skin.
00:22:01 Hillary Walsh
And people stare.
00:22:04 Hillary Walsh
I remember being stared at as I’m on this jog, thinking why are people staring at me and.
00:22:10 Hillary Walsh
It’s because I realize.
00:22:11 Hillary Walsh
There’s no amount of blending in you can do in a country that is very, very homogeneous, like Korea or when we visited India, it was the same thing and you’re.
00:22:22 Hillary Walsh
In the United States, you can open your mouth and talk and have an accent.
00:22:27 Hillary Walsh
Well, maybe not even speak English and you don’t know if you were.
00:22:30 Hillary Walsh
Born and raised here.
00:22:31 Hillary Walsh
And those are.
00:22:32 Hillary Walsh
The things that inject innovation into our country and I love the different ideas or what makes us great.
00:22:41 Hillary Walsh
Why are we so disgusted by them?
00:22:42 Hillary Walsh
As a society right now.
00:22:42 Patrick Martin LCSW
Boom. How is husband?
00:22:45 Patrick Martin LCSW
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
00:22:47 Hillary Walsh
You got nothing to him, so box.
00:22:49 Patrick Martin LCSW
Yeah, no, I love it, though.
00:22:50 Patrick Martin LCSW
I love it because that speaks to your why, right?
00:22:52 Patrick Martin LCSW
And what inspires you and the work, the amazing work that you do.
00:22:57 Patrick Martin LCSW
And I’m wondering what what turning point occurred because you’ve been an immigration attorney now for 1010 years, but you’ve been a CEO.
00:23:07 Patrick Martin LCSW
Founder of your own firm, if you were right.
00:23:11 Speaker 3
Well, uh.
00:23:11 Patrick Martin LCSW
New Frontiers, new frontier.
00:23:13 Hillary Walsh
New Frontier immigration law, that’s.
00:23:13 Speaker 3
Yes, is it?
00:23:14 Patrick Martin LCSW
Here integration law and that’s new ISH, right 2019?
00:23:19 Hillary Walsh
2019.
00:23:20 Patrick Martin LCSW
So what? What?
00:23:22 Patrick Martin LCSW
That made you leave maybe the the standard lifestyle of being an immigration attorney and starting your own firm.
00:23:30 Patrick Martin LCSW
What happened there?
00:23:33 Hillary Walsh
Well, I have like a couple snapshots of memories to share with you that immediately like, flood my mind.
00:23:38 Hillary Walsh
The first is when I was in law school, I represented a young woman.
00:23:41 Hillary Walsh
I went to law school in Las Vegas and my I was working in the immigration clinic as a student attorney.
00:23:50 Hillary Walsh
And my very first case that I worked on was a 14 year old German girl who’d been kidnapped and prostituted on this.
00:23:57 Hillary Walsh
Trip, and so we were able to get a TV show, which is for trafficking victims.
00:24:02 Hillary Walsh
For her. Her.
00:24:03 Hillary Walsh
Mom and her brother, who were all undocumented.
00:24:05 Hillary Walsh
In the US.
00:24:07 Hillary Walsh
That was a huge, huge experience for me because I was working with a young girl who was my age when I went through my big, traumatic experience.
00:24:17 Hillary Walsh
Different experiences of course, but to get to love and heal this other young person was very cathartic for me as well.
00:24:27 Hillary Walsh
Brad I graduated in 2012, which was a very difficult time for lawyers to get jobs because the economy was terrible.
00:24:34 Hillary Walsh
Too many lawyers, not enough jobs.
00:24:36 Hillary Walsh
I was so fortunate to get a job at a commercial litigation boutique firm in Las Vegas.
00:24:44 Hillary Walsh
I I still think that they didn’t quite realize what my resume was ’cause I don’t know how I got that job that I did.
00:24:50 Hillary Walsh
And I did that job for about 14 months and I learned to be a very good writer while I was at that job that.
00:24:55 Hillary Walsh
Was my primary.
00:24:56 Hillary Walsh
Role was just to kind of lined.
00:24:58 Hillary Walsh
Out legal writing.
00:25:01 Hillary Walsh
But while I was on maternity leave, I read Sheryl Sandberg’s lean in and a voice within me like that guiding light.
00:25:12 Hillary Walsh
Was was reminding me that I was supposed to be an immigration attorney.
00:25:18 Hillary Walsh
I had made this commitment to myself and I had gotten off track because I had really wanted a job right out of law school.
00:25:26 Hillary Walsh
So I committed to do a couple of asylum cases pro bono in the next six months.
00:25:33 Hillary Walsh
My husband called within the next 4 weeks and let me know.
00:25:37 Hillary Walsh
Hey babe, I’m in Afghanistan, you’re home with twins who you’re nursing and taking care of, and you’re working however many hours a week.
00:25:46 Hillary Walsh
I just got orders.
00:25:47 Hillary Walsh
We’re moving to Korea.
00:25:48 Hillary Walsh
Isn’t that so exciting?
00:25:51 Hillary Walsh
But it really.
00:25:52 Hillary Walsh
Was because I couldn’t find a job in Korea, I could not find a job and this was.
00:25:56 Hillary Walsh
In 2014, so it was before.
00:26:00 Hillary Walsh
Telework was really common, like it is today where it’s absolutely very common for people to work from around the.
00:26:07 Hillary Walsh
I couldn’t get a job in Korea and couldn’t find anyone who would let me do even free work for them in the United States because they didn’t want they only wanted ghostwriters.
00:26:17 Hillary Walsh
And I’m a person of a little bit of ego, and I’m running my name on the brief.
00:26:22 Hillary Walsh
I had written all these briefs when I was a grunt attorney, and my name was never on the brief I wanted.
00:26:28 Hillary Walsh
If I’m going to do this work for free, I want some of the I want to have my name and sign my name to this paper in one organization out of all the nonprofits that I reached out to here in Arizona, the Florence project.
00:26:42 Hillary Walsh
Alright, you don’t have any experience, but we have more work than we can handle.
00:26:46 Hillary Walsh
We will mentor you on doing some appeals work.
00:26:50 Hillary Walsh
And so I began doing Immigration Appeals from Korea for people detained here in Arizona.
00:26:57 Hillary Walsh
I moved back five years later after having this long term relationship with this nonprofit, and I couldn’t get a job here in Arizona because I don’t speak Spanish.
00:27:08 Patrick Martin LCSW
Oh, wow.
00:27:09 Hillary Walsh
No one wanted to hire an experienced immigration lawyer.
00:27:13 Patrick Martin LCSW
But certainly I thought by that point, after going to Korea for five years, getting the experience and coming back, you wouldn’t have the same problem with employment, right?
00:27:16 Hillary Walsh
Really, folks?
00:27:21 Hillary Walsh
Which one would think, but it was again the greatest gift.
00:27:25 Hillary Walsh
Uhm, because I decided hey.
00:27:28 Hillary Walsh
I I don’t want to go work at another civil litigation firm.
00:27:32 Hillary Walsh
I mean, the things that I’m qualified to do in an English-speaking capacity I’m not interested in.
00:27:38 Hillary Walsh
And I had thought for a while I wanted to do criminal defense.
00:27:41 Hillary Walsh
Uhm, but it just wasn’t, you know?
00:27:45 Hillary Walsh
You see what you’re supposed to see when you’re supposed to see it?
00:27:50 Hillary Walsh
I was connected with a woman who owned her own immigration firm and I needed her help on a case to come.
00:27:57 Hillary Walsh
She was licensed in a state that I needed.
00:27:59 Hillary Walsh
I needed an attorney to help me in.
00:28:01 Hillary Walsh
For a pro.
00:28:02 Hillary Walsh
Bono client and she said, you know.
00:28:05 Hillary Walsh
You should consider opening your own firm.
00:28:08 Hillary Walsh
If you can’t get a job where someone going to pay you to do this, maybe you should just open your own firm.
00:28:13 Hillary Walsh
And here we are all these years later, and that’s a light, that’s a core memory and it really changed my life.
00:28:15 Patrick Martin LCSW
My ball moment, yeah.
00:28:22 Hillary Walsh
And she actually lives here in Phoenix now, and it’s wonderful to connect with her.
00:28:26 Hillary Walsh
And the universe is so creative.
00:28:29 Patrick Martin LCSW
Uh, it’s easy to get stuck in our own box, right?
00:28:32 Patrick Martin LCSW
Mental box as far as the options that we see, but just a friend.
00:28:38 Patrick Martin LCSW
To give you permission to think outside the box.
00:28:41 Hillary Walsh
Think outside the box, and I asked other immigration lawyers who had successful firms and said young, thinking about opening a firm here in Phoenix.
00:28:43 Patrick Martin LCSW
Bet. Bet on yourself, right?
00:28:53 Hillary Walsh
I don’t know anyone here at all.
00:28:56 Hillary Walsh
We just got stationed here.
00:28:58 Hillary Walsh
Uhm, I don’t have a single client here.
00:29:01 Hillary Walsh
And I also don’t speak Spanish.
00:29:03 Hillary Walsh
Do you think this is a good idea and?
00:29:06 Hillary Walsh
But a lot of voices said this.
00:29:08 Hillary Walsh
Is a bad idea.
00:29:08 Hillary Walsh
I just don’t think it’s going to work.
00:29:11 Hillary Walsh
Uhm, it was.
00:29:12 Hillary Walsh
It’s great that my parents raised me to be competitive, because I thought, I’m I’m just going to do it anyway and we’ll find a way.
00:29:20 Patrick Martin LCSW
And you say that very kind of flippantly, oh, I just started a business or for anybody who’s ever dipped their toe and starting a business knows it’s not as simple as that and competitive, yes, you are, because I also know.
00:29:34 Patrick Martin LCSW
By reading your bio that you have doubled your business every year since you started and no small, small feat, I mean we’re talking about business that’s in the 1,000,000, right?
00:29:46 Patrick Martin LCSW
10 million, yeah.
00:29:48 Hillary Walsh
We’ll do probably 10 million next.
00:29:49 Hillary Walsh
Year we’re going to.
00:29:50 Hillary Walsh
We’re aiming to hit 6 this year.
00:29:52 Patrick Martin LCSW
So you’re very humble.
00:29:55 Hillary Walsh
Oh well, I mean, I think that if I can do it, I truly believe that if we give value.
00:29:56 Patrick Martin LCSW
Yeah, you’re not. Yeah.
00:30:00 Hillary Walsh
And I believe that if our goal is to add more life and more good to the universe and.
00:30:06 Hillary Walsh
I think that.
00:30:07 Hillary Walsh
I mean, I hope that I live to be an old lady, but I’m not going to count on that, so I might as well just do it.
00:30:13 Hillary Walsh
Right now, I’ve.
00:30:13 Hillary Walsh
Got the energy for it, I think.
00:30:16 Hillary Walsh
That the universe will reward the desire to.
00:30:20 Hillary Walsh
Give and give and.
00:30:21 Hillary Walsh
Give and that’s.
00:30:22 Hillary Walsh
What I believe is I have been blessed with.
00:30:25 Patrick Martin LCSW
My favorite, uh, coping skill if you were, is to study successful people deconstructions on them.
00:30:33 Patrick Martin LCSW
And something I hear over and over again as a root of success from what I’ve seen, is to serve 1st.
00:30:40 Patrick Martin LCSW
And that certainly seems to be your mindset is that.
00:30:43 Hillary Walsh
Right.
00:30:43 Hillary Walsh
Yeah, I I absolutely believe that.
00:30:46 Hillary Walsh
I think that’s just a law of the universe.
00:30:51 Hillary Walsh
Anytime you see anyone acting selfishly.
00:30:55 Hillary Walsh
Your that success can only live for so long without some type of huge disruption and of course success or whatever I think is, you know, it depends on who you talk to, what success is.
00:31:08 Hillary Walsh
Uhm, I think that if we serve, it gives without fear.
00:31:16 Hillary Walsh
That if we give too much, no one.
00:31:18 Hillary Walsh
Will come by.
00:31:23 Hillary Walsh
Then that is the absolute ultimate trust giver, and that’s how we run our company.
00:31:30 Patrick Martin LCSW
Wow, well, she certainly seems to be making quite the impact.
00:31:35 Hillary Walsh
We have an amazing UM, we have an amazing population here in Arizona.
00:31:41 Hillary Walsh
UM, we’re helping people and lots of states.
00:31:44 Hillary Walsh
But of course our main focus is here in Arizona right now and.
00:31:48 Hillary Walsh
You know, it never gets old watching someone who is probably my.
00:31:54 Hillary Walsh
Dad’s age, I’ll.
00:31:55 Hillary Walsh
Get emotional. Just mentioning it.
00:31:57 Hillary Walsh
And they get this. They open their envelope from the US Postal Service since this little envelope with the window, and they’ve seen the picture of this online where other people are holding it up and the new inside is their work permit.
00:32:12 Hillary Walsh
Open it and they look at it and just disbelief washes over them and they’re holding this thing that I have taken for granted every day in my life.
00:32:22 Hillary Walsh
And you get to watch them truly unwrap their future.
00:32:27 Hillary Walsh
Their life will never be the same now, in the best of ways, and I got to be one tiny.
00:32:32 Hillary Walsh
Part of that.
00:32:33 Hillary Walsh
I’ll live forever now.
00:32:35 Hillary Walsh
Like my my life will never end because I was like a fragment.
00:32:41 Hillary Walsh
In their journey and now their kids lives will be different and so on.
00:32:45 Hillary Walsh
It’s pretty amazing.
00:32:46 Patrick Martin LCSW
Wow, the the reward, right?
00:32:49 Patrick Martin LCSW
I’ve seen the the wins, the small ones, the big ones, right?
00:32:53 Hillary Walsh
Yeah, the.
00:32:53 Patrick Martin LCSW
Making a difference, I think that’s.
00:32:55 Patrick Martin LCSW
But everyone really wants it.
00:32:57 Patrick Martin LCSW
Records know that their life make means and makes a difference, right?
00:33:00 Hillary Walsh
Yeah, we all have this search for significance, yeah.
00:33:00 Patrick Martin LCSW
For the better to leave this world better than we found it.
00:33:07 Patrick Martin LCSW
And that didn’t.
00:33:08 Patrick Martin LCSW
That wouldn’t have.
00:33:10 Patrick Martin LCSW
Happened if you hadn’t.
00:33:13 Patrick Martin LCSW
If you had settled for the status quo, right, and if you hadn’t challenged yourself to follow your passions, that intervoice right.
00:33:22 Patrick Martin LCSW
Yeah, how you doing?
00:33:22 Hillary Walsh
Well, even last week, I mean, I wanted to pack it up and let’s just be a.
00:33:25 Hillary Walsh
Small shop? Uhm.
00:33:28 Hillary Walsh
What have I gotten myself into?
00:33:30 Hillary Walsh
I I feel like I’m not the right leader for this, you know?
00:33:34 Hillary Walsh
We’ve made a mess.
00:33:35 Hillary Walsh
We’re scaling too fast, we’re helping too many people, and maybe we’re not doing it to.
00:33:40 Hillary Walsh
The level of service.
00:33:41 Hillary Walsh
That we had intended and, you know, you have this conversation and later that night.
00:33:47 Hillary Walsh
One of my associates quit because she said I’m never going to be enough.
00:33:51 Hillary Walsh
I am watching you, getting Hillary in a zoom, get emotional, saying these things, like what I literally just said to you, processing it outwardly.
00:33:59 Hillary Walsh
And I’m like I do not know if.
00:34:01 Hillary Walsh
I can do.
00:34:01 Hillary Walsh
This and I don’t know if I’m the right person.
00:34:05 Hillary Walsh
To do this.
00:34:06 Hillary Walsh
What if I’m making a mistake and kind of hourly processing that and then calling other people?
00:34:13 Hillary Walsh
I can’t do this alone.
00:34:14 Hillary Walsh
I’m we have to have I.
00:34:18 Hillary Walsh
I also I often talk about how we’re.
00:34:20 Hillary Walsh
Like an NBA team.
00:34:23 Hillary Walsh
And I don’t want to not get injured.
00:34:26 Hillary Walsh
It’s not.
00:34:26 Hillary Walsh
I don’t want to collect a big paycheck and not get injured.
00:34:29 Hillary Walsh
I want to win the finals and that means we have to be ruthless in in staying aligned with our vision.
00:34:37 Hillary Walsh
And that person quit that night, she said.
00:34:40 Hillary Walsh
I am not going to be what you need me to be, and that hurts because I love that person.
00:34:47 Hillary Walsh
At at the end of the day, one knows themselves the best and if they can’t see themselves going to the finals, we have to vacate that seat and fill it with someone who will.
00:35:00 Patrick Martin LCSW
And that’s an active respect and love to knowing like if you can, if you can meet the demands of the.
00:35:00 Hillary Walsh
But it is, yeah, it is.
00:35:04 Patrick Martin LCSW
Mission or not right?
00:35:05 Hillary Walsh
Yeah, it is.
00:35:07 Hillary Walsh
It really is.
00:35:08 Hillary Walsh
But it is not.
00:35:10 Hillary Walsh
It is not always fun.
00:35:14 Hillary Walsh
It this is not always fun.
00:35:16 Patrick Martin LCSW
No, no, I I appreciate you saying that because I yes, yes.
00:35:17 Hillary Walsh
So when, when you get to see.
00:35:18 Hillary Walsh
There, people open their green card.
00:35:21 Hillary Walsh
That’s your moment.
00:35:22 Patrick Martin LCSW
Right.
00:35:24 Patrick Martin LCSW
But everything that leads up to that point, all the tough decisions and I’m sure I was going to ask you how you, how you overcame?
00:35:32 Patrick Martin LCSW
I’m sure some of the numerous challenges you’ve come across, I imagine one is staffing when you’re starting to a firm like this, how did you, how did you go about that?
00:35:41 Hillary Walsh
Well, at first I I pretended to be a.
00:35:45 Hillary Walsh
Receptionist on the phone.
00:35:46 Hillary Walsh
I had an iPhone.
00:35:49 Hillary Walsh
I yeah, you know, you do what?
00:35:49 Patrick Martin LCSW
Scrappy I like it.
00:35:51 Hillary Walsh
You gotta do hi, this is you know.
00:35:53 Hillary Walsh
At the time it was the.
00:35:53 Hillary Walsh
Law Office of Hillary Gaston Walsh.
00:35:56 Hillary Walsh
Sounds fancy. It’s not practical at all, and yes, no problem, yes, it’s $50.00 to talk to the lawyer you know you want paid by cash or card and you sell your consultation and then after they book it, then you meet with them and you would get the sounds so similar to your receptionist.
00:36:16 Hillary Walsh
I hear that.
00:36:17 Hillary Walsh
All the time I hear that.
00:36:18 Hillary Walsh
All of us.
00:36:19 Hillary Walsh
Time I had one of my my kids godmother do an interview for my very first employee because I had never interviewed anyone before and I see the good in everybody so everyone has potential to be amazing.
00:36:32 Hillary Walsh
So I needed an objective person.
00:36:34 Hillary Walsh
She interviewed her and she’s still with me.
00:36:37 Hillary Walsh
She’s been lost, Romero and working part time.
00:36:39 Hillary Walsh
At the firm almost four years later, and now I’ve got the godmother working for me or the firm as well, so it’s it’s been amazing.
00:36:47 Patrick Martin LCSW
Family affair.
00:36:49 Hillary Walsh
Yeah, it really has been amazing too.
00:36:52 Hillary Walsh
To grow a team of people who are aligned with what we’re doing.
00:36:59 Hillary Walsh
But the people component of it is complicated because we have our own.
00:37:05 Hillary Walsh
I have my own issues with relationships that I bring to a feedback session.
00:37:10 Hillary Walsh
And constantly.
00:37:12 Hillary Walsh
And then I have hormones.
00:37:12 Hillary Walsh
That I’m also dealing with.
00:37:14 Hillary Walsh
Because while men also have hormones, they go through that cycle in 24 hours and I get to drag that out over.
00:37:21 Hillary Walsh
The course of four weeks.
00:37:23 Hillary Walsh
Different situation and trying to be very introspective and mindful that.
00:37:23 Patrick Martin LCSW
Yes, yes, very different. Yeah.
00:37:28 Hillary Walsh
The set of hormones I have right now may not be the best thing for the leader to be in a feedback session right now. So I need a buffer or I need to table this and have this self-control.
00:37:39 Hillary Walsh
You table this until I’m in a better mental state and.
00:37:44 Hillary Walsh
All of that, all of that takes a.
00:37:46 Hillary Walsh
Lot of.
00:37:49 Patrick Martin LCSW
A lot of honesty with yourself, a lot of communication, transparency.
00:37:55 Hillary Walsh
Through team hoping you’re not screwing it up.
00:37:57 Hillary Walsh
It’s like parenting.
00:37:59 Patrick Martin LCSW
Yeah, yeah.
00:38:00 Patrick Martin LCSW
I’m just thinking about, you know, the all the impostor syndrome that.
00:38:02 Patrick Martin LCSW
Would come up and then you know as as you’re venturing out and do it, you know creating this, this business for yourself is firm.
00:38:11 Patrick Martin LCSW
All the challenges, right? And.
00:38:13 Patrick Martin LCSW
How you’re addressing that impostor syndrome.
00:38:16 Patrick Martin LCSW
But that sounds like like the the crux of it right there is the the introspection, the self-honesty and creating systems.
00:38:25 Patrick Martin LCSW
To to, you know buffer that, right?
00:38:28 Hillary Walsh
Huh, yeah.
00:38:29 Patrick Martin LCSW
You have the feedback sessions get, you know, making sure that that line of communication is open, that you’re approachable, right?
00:38:35 Hillary Walsh
Yeah, and that.
00:38:37 Hillary Walsh
For me, it’s so rarely about what I say, but the intention I go into a meeting with how I want them to feel afterward, and I can lead with love and say exactly what I need to say.
00:38:49 Hillary Walsh
And they know because of months or weeks or even hours.
00:38:53 Hillary Walsh
Of experience with me, that I’m not saying.
00:38:55 Hillary Walsh
This to cut you down.
00:38:57 Hillary Walsh
I’m saying this because I truly want you to rise and.
00:39:03 Hillary Walsh
If someone can.
00:39:04 Hillary Walsh
Feel that you can get a lot of work done real fast.
00:39:09 Speaker 3
Right.
00:39:10 Patrick Martin LCSW
That, I mean, that’s great, yeah, just making sure that everybody feels.
00:39:15 Patrick Martin LCSW
Appreciated, respected, encouraged.
00:39:18 Patrick Martin LCSW
Because you have a mission.
00:39:19 Patrick Martin LCSW
The mission is to to help these people, right?
00:39:22 Patrick Martin LCSW
This population, these people who are struggling and you know from your whole history and experience, you must have a wealth of information about what the particular challenges are.
00:39:34 Patrick Martin LCSW
You mentioned asylum cases.
00:39:37 Patrick Martin LCSW
Uhm, work visas, you know, citizenship status?
00:39:41 Patrick Martin LCSW
What have you found to be some of the most common challenges when people in immigration law, for example?
00:39:50 Hillary Walsh
I think the belief that I am worthy of this benefit, people will come in and have a consultation with us.
00:39:59 Hillary Walsh
We let them know. Congratulations, we we see a path for you to either get your work permit, your Social Security number, your driver’s license, your Green card, and then maybe someday, your citizenship.
00:40:09 Hillary Walsh
This will get you an opportunity to leave the country and come back with permission.
00:40:13 Hillary Walsh
It’s safe for you to go see Mom in Mexico and come back to your family here in.
00:40:19 Hillary Walsh
The US.
00:40:20 Hillary Walsh
And I think there is a.
00:40:24 Hillary Walsh
There is a belief system of I don’t know if it’s too good to be true or I don’t trust you.
00:40:29 Hillary Walsh
This seems too easy.
00:40:32 Hillary Walsh
But from me, I believe at the core of it is once someone decides that they are worthy of it, that they deserve this.
00:40:39 Hillary Walsh
And it’s one thing to say it and it’s another thing to actually do it.
00:40:43 Hillary Walsh
Actually take the steps forward and say I’m claiming this, this is mine, this is the life I’m going to have.
00:40:49 Hillary Walsh
Once that happens, everything aligns and we make it happen.
00:40:54 Hillary Walsh
But if someone is stuck and they just can’t see themselves having the green card or stepping into this new life and they’re they’re so afraid.
00:41:07 Hillary Walsh
I think that is the.
00:41:08 Hillary Walsh
Hardest that’s the hardest one to overcome because that’s an inside job and we can love.
00:41:15 Hillary Walsh
People through that but.
00:41:16 Hillary Walsh
It really is an inside job.
00:41:19 Patrick Martin LCSW
Yeah, I bet.
00:41:21 Patrick Martin LCSW
Well, sounds like fantastic work you’re doing.
00:41:24 Patrick Martin LCSW
I’m wondering if we have any words of wisdom for anyone who might be listening, if they have a loved one or a family member who.
00:41:33 Patrick Martin LCSW
Be struggling with immigration and barriers to citizenship or anything in that realm.
00:41:39 Patrick Martin LCSW
You know what were some some words of wisdom that you would encourage?
00:41:43 Patrick Martin LCSW
People to kind of grab hold of any actionable tips or tools resources.
00:41:50 Hillary Walsh
I think it’s important for us to harken back to what our vision was for our life before we were told no.
00:41:58 Hillary Walsh
A few weeks ago I was in our way for an interview and.
00:42:02 Hillary Walsh
Who was visiting?
00:42:03 Hillary Walsh
With the woman who coordinated everything, she’s like the.
00:42:07 Hillary Walsh
You know, the the Backstage coordinator, really the the master behind the scenes. And she shared that her parents are undocumented Mexicans living in LA, and they’ve been in LA for 30 or 40 years.
00:42:21 Hillary Walsh
Neither of them have status and she’s the oldest and she was born here, so she’s a citizen.
00:42:27 Hillary Walsh
And I said, you know, we have, we help people in your parents exact situation all the time.
00:42:35 Hillary Walsh
And I would love, I would be honored to study you know whatever value I can give you to kind of help ’cause.
00:42:43 Hillary Walsh
I could see that there was this disbelief because they’ve talked to other people and they’ve heard from friends and the community is very tight knit in terms of sharing.
00:42:52 Hillary Walsh
This is the way that we’ve done XY or Z to get our papers.
00:42:58 Hillary Walsh
I I could not Pierce her, and this is an educated, highly effective, very confident woman.
00:43:06 Hillary Walsh
Could not convince her.
00:43:08 Hillary Walsh
And I I didn’t spend, you know, sitting there trying to convince her that no, no, you don’t understand, that there was just this hardened bubble around her of disbelief that anything.
00:43:18 Hillary Walsh
To be done, it’s like, well, you know, we’re working with a nonprofit to to do whatever it is that we’re trying to do.
00:43:26 Hillary Walsh
And I think if we get really clear on what our vision was for our life, so this has to be each of us has a different vision for our life and I see in pictures.
00:43:35 Hillary Walsh
I think we all do.
00:43:36 Hillary Walsh
You would know better.
00:43:37 Patrick Martin LCSW
Yes, indeed yes.
00:43:37 Hillary Walsh
Than me, we all see in pictures, right?
00:43:40 Hillary Walsh
But the movie I play in my mind when I get really discouraged or I start to believe that this is.
00:43:46 Hillary Walsh
Just the way.
00:43:47 Hillary Walsh
That it is.
00:43:48 Hillary Walsh
I have to go back to the movie in my mind.
00:43:50 Hillary Walsh
And it’s it’s not that there has to be another way.
00:43:55 Hillary Walsh
And so for this young woman, I mean, she’s young compared to me, I think probably 28 years old.
00:44:02 Hillary Walsh
She she needs to go back in her minds to the vision of what she has for her parents, and if she can see her parents with her.
00:44:09 Hillary Walsh
Maybe they’re driving across the border into Tijuana.
00:44:13 Hillary Walsh
Going on a road trip to eat some really good food?
00:44:17 Hillary Walsh
Maybe go see family if that’s been the vision for her life.
00:44:21 Hillary Walsh
Then when when opportunity knocks at your door, you’ll listen a little closer.
00:44:25 Hillary Walsh
But the more we start to.
00:44:27 Hillary Walsh
Believe the lie that.
00:44:29 Hillary Walsh
This is not going to happen for me or my family.
00:44:32 Hillary Walsh
The harder opportunity has to knock because we’ve lost sight of our vision.
00:44:37 Hillary Walsh
I think that’s true whether it’s for your papers or for me.
00:44:40 Hillary Walsh
A long time it took, I had.
00:44:41 Hillary Walsh
It took eight years to get pregnant.
00:44:43 Hillary Walsh
And you just start to believe that this isn’t going to.
00:44:46 Hillary Walsh
Happen for me? Uhm.
00:44:49 Hillary Walsh
But I don’t believe.
00:44:50 Hillary Walsh
That I really believe that there the opportunity is still there if you want it to be there.
00:44:56 Hillary Walsh
So that’s what I would share with people, is to keep that vision in your mind.
00:45:00 Hillary Walsh
The universe will answer.
00:45:03 Hillary Walsh
If you just hold tight to it.
00:45:05 Patrick Martin LCSW
You speak from lived experience, right?
00:45:07 Patrick Martin LCSW
Mother of four now, right?
00:45:09 Hillary Walsh
Yes, I joked that we over prayed.
00:45:12 Hillary Walsh
I had four kids in four years, so yeah, I started with twins.
00:45:13 Patrick Martin LCSW
Yeah, twins, right?
00:45:15 Patrick Martin LCSW
The quote you asked us.
00:45:16 Hillary Walsh
Yeah, four kids in four years of the wild ride.
00:45:19 Patrick Martin LCSW
That’s fantastic.
00:45:21 Patrick Martin LCSW
But yes, I think you’re, I mean like those questions we hear, you know, if you think you can, you’re right, you think you can’t, you’re right.
00:45:28 Patrick Martin LCSW
You know, you can see it, you can do it, right?
00:45:31 Patrick Martin LCSW
But I think there is a lot to be said as a therapist.
00:45:34 Patrick Martin LCSW
There’s so much truth to, you know, what we call limiting beliefs.
00:45:38 Patrick Martin LCSW
And assuming that the narrative we’ve created in our head is.
00:45:43 Patrick Martin LCSW
The only narrative that’s possible.
00:45:46 Hillary Walsh
Right. It keeps us safe.
00:45:48 Hillary Walsh
But narrative for me is almost the same as alcohol, where it keeps you safe or from something for some amount of time until you decide this is no longer serving me.
00:46:00 Hillary Walsh
I I actually need to disrupt what I thought was keeping me safe did at some point, but now I get to disr.
00:46:07
To that.
00:46:08 Hillary Walsh
By stopping drinking or taking on this new healthier lifestyle, or surrounding myself with people who are not negative or stopping looking at the news.
00:46:17 Hillary Walsh
The news is, you know, making my making me scared.
00:46:18 Speaker 3
Mira. Mira.
00:46:20 Hillary Walsh
And it’s re traumatizing me.
00:46:21 Hillary Walsh
And and all of those things have kept us safe.
00:46:26 Hillary Walsh
But maybe they don’t serve us.
00:46:28 Patrick Martin LCSW
So the stimuli that we choose to ingest, right.
00:46:33 Patrick Martin LCSW
Continues to feed whatever.
00:46:36 Patrick Martin LCSW
Train of thought or narrative that we’re holding onto another theme I I keep hearing you bringing up in your personal development.
00:46:42 Patrick Martin LCSW
Your journey is that you’re doing an audit.
00:46:45 Patrick Martin LCSW
Sounds like you did an audit on yourself and you you know you’re finding out whether it’s the alcohol or the news or the negative stimuli.
00:46:52 Patrick Martin LCSW
Whatever it is you’re, you’re paying attention to what is.
00:46:56 Patrick Martin LCSW
Contributing to your thought process, and if it’s not helping you move toward your goals, then maybe that’s not nice.
00:47:04 Hillary Walsh
Yeah, it’s you have to put it, yeah.
00:47:06 Hillary Walsh
You really have to put certain things down from quitting.
00:47:11 Hillary Walsh
Is a word I hate.
00:47:14 Hillary Walsh
Uhm, sometimes it’s just surrender.
00:47:17 Patrick Martin LCSW
Oh, I like that. Yeah.
00:47:20 Patrick Martin LCSW
I like that.
00:47:21 Patrick Martin LCSW
Thank you for that.
00:47:23 Patrick Martin LCSW
So much we could continue to unpack.
00:47:25 Patrick Martin LCSW
I know you’re a busy, busy lady.
00:47:27 Hillary Walsh
I hope that I’m not.
00:47:28 Hillary Walsh
I wonder if in your like in your actual licensed mind your ’cause, you know?
00:47:34 Hillary Walsh
You start living life and then you know that there’s clinical work and there’s there’s data, and you hope that what your life experiences and what you’ve chosen or I’ve chosen to believe about my life, I hope that it aligns with science, I think.
00:47:48 Hillary Walsh
That it does.
00:47:49 Patrick Martin LCSW
Oh, absolutely.
00:47:49 Hillary Walsh
But there’s only one way to find out.
00:47:51 Hillary Walsh
I guess I.
00:47:52 Hillary Walsh
Said with life.
00:47:53 Patrick Martin LCSW
Yes, yes, I I try not to think rigid in terms of how, you know, we’re just people.
00:47:59 Patrick Martin LCSW
We’re just people and problems are not new in the way, you know, the way that we.
00:48:04 Patrick Martin LCSW
Encounter life and social problems and our emotions and it’s the same.
00:48:08 Patrick Martin LCSW
It’s always been nothing new under the sun, right?
00:48:11 Patrick Martin LCSW
You know way to you read any any book you know and you know from whatever time period around wisdom and practical knowledge.
00:48:19 Patrick Martin LCSW
And you’ll see that it’s all pretty much the same.
00:48:22 Patrick Martin LCSW
Technology changes a bit, but problems are still the same.
00:48:25 Patrick Martin LCSW
And it’s really all about mindset and, you know, giving ourselves permission to find a way and to make things work right and sometimes no is no, and sometimes no is not right now.
00:48:37 Patrick Martin LCSW
And sometimes there are.
00:48:39 Patrick Martin LCSW
You know, if you can’t get into the front door or something, you can find a window.
00:48:42 Patrick Martin LCSW
You know to a problem and.
00:48:44 Speaker 3
For sure.
00:48:45 Patrick Martin LCSW
I know that’s your area of expertise is helping people find, you know, other ways to to accomplish their goals.
00:48:53 Hillary Walsh
Creative solutions, absolutely.
00:48:54 Patrick Martin LCSW
Creative solutions, right?
00:48:55 Hillary Walsh
Creative solutions.
00:48:56 Hillary Walsh
We have to be innovative.
00:48:57 Hillary Walsh
We we have a limited number of tools on our immigration lawyer toolbox, but a screwdriver?
00:49:04 Hillary Walsh
You turn around and it can also be a hammer.
00:49:06 Hillary Walsh
So let’s talk right away.
00:49:06 Patrick Martin LCSW
That’s right.
00:49:10 Patrick Martin LCSW
Well, I’m so glad that you’re doing the work that you are and the people you know aren’t you know who need you.
00:49:15 Patrick Martin LCSW
You know, hopefully we’ll we’ll find you and you’re doing great work and I know you’re scrappy and I know that you have you know, wild tooth and nail to to build.
00:49:25 Patrick Martin LCSW
This is meaningful.
00:49:28 Patrick Martin LCSW
You know, business that serves great needs, you know, in our society.
00:49:32 Patrick Martin LCSW
And I really appreciate what you’re doing.
00:49:34 Patrick Martin LCSW
Would it be OK if I had you back on down the road and see?
00:49:37 Hillary Walsh
I would love love.
00:49:37 Patrick Martin LCSW
How things are going, yeah.
00:49:38 Hillary Walsh
I would love that. Please check in. We’ll see if I’m like aged 3000 years and look like the Titanic lady and you know.
00:49:45
A year from now.
00:49:45 Patrick Martin LCSW
Up the self-care.
00:49:47 Hillary Walsh
Like my self-care treatment, I need a face lift now.
00:49:51 Patrick Martin LCSW
There you.
00:49:52 Patrick Martin LCSW
Go. You deserve it.
00:49:57 Patrick Martin LCSW
So you have a website, right?
00:49:59 Speaker 3
Yes, yes.
00:50:00 Patrick Martin LCSW
It’s new, right?
00:50:00 Hillary Walsh
Frontier US.
00:50:04 Patrick Martin LCSW
There we go.
00:50:05 Patrick Martin LCSW
This is your website, right?
00:50:06 Hillary Walsh
We go back when I had brown hair.
00:50:10 Patrick Martin LCSW
I love how you have it set up with lots of good resources.
00:50:14 Patrick Martin LCSW
Hear a little bit about you write life story.
00:50:17 Patrick Martin LCSW
For those who want to dig a little more, you’ve got some info on your team.
00:50:22 Patrick Martin LCSW
Right.
00:50:24 Patrick Martin LCSW
I think I saw a form at the top there for anyone who is interested in a consultation, right?
00:50:30 Hillary Walsh
Yes, absolutely.
00:50:31 Patrick Martin LCSW
Their case, basically, that was right up here, right?
00:50:34 Patrick Martin LCSW
A lot of little.
00:50:36 Patrick Martin LCSW
Rate case evaluation form.
00:50:38 Patrick Martin LCSW
You’ve got a blog.
00:50:39 Patrick Martin LCSW
I yeah, I thought I saw a blog here.
00:50:41 Patrick Martin LCSW
Yes, right, different articles on on.
00:50:46 Patrick Martin LCSW
You know, use case needs.
00:50:47 Hillary Walsh
It’s funny, we.
00:50:48 Hillary Walsh
Have more recent ones and I don’t know why they don’t load on the English side, but on the Spanish side they load.
00:50:53 Hillary Walsh
But we need to fix that.
00:50:54 Hillary Walsh
Just launched a.
00:50:55 Hillary Walsh
Podcast as well called immigration law made easy and this is our way of helping people whether you are near or far.
00:50:59 Speaker 3
Oh, excellent.
00:51:06 Hillary Walsh
Uhm get access you?
00:51:09 Hillary Walsh
Complex answers without having to pay for it.
00:51:12 Hillary Walsh
Because if if the only way you can get some of these answers is by paying hundreds or thousands of dollars, sometimes that’s a huge roadblock for people and they simply cannot.
00:51:22 Hillary Walsh
They can’t do it, but we all have. We all have phones these days and hopefully people can can TuneIn and on Fridays.
00:51:30 Hillary Walsh
We do a.
00:51:32 Hillary Walsh
Podcast episode that’s all about good news.
00:51:34 Hillary Walsh
In immigration we always hear about the border wall and you know a lot of really a lot of really negative vibration things that come into our mind and when we start thinking about immigration.
00:51:47 Hillary Walsh
But what are all the great things that are happening in the immigration space?
00:51:50 Hillary Walsh
So we do that on Fridays.
00:51:53 Patrick Martin LCSW
And what’s the name of that?
00:51:53 Hillary Walsh
Podcast again, immigration law made easy.
00:51:57 Patrick Martin LCSW
I want to love that.
00:51:58 Patrick Martin LCSW
What a great name for a podcast.
00:52:00 Patrick Martin LCSW
Immigration law made easy.
00:52:01 Patrick Martin LCSW
Is there a?
00:52:02 Patrick Martin LCSW
Link to that on your site here.
00:52:04 Hillary Walsh
I don’t know, because we, I said I should say no, we don’t have one on there, but we need one.
00:52:10 Hillary Walsh
But we just launched it last week, so we did all the recording stuff and dropped our first right.
00:52:12 Patrick Martin LCSW
Oh, wow. Yeah.
00:52:13 Patrick Martin LCSW
So fresh, fresh out of the oven.
00:52:15 Hillary Walsh
Yeah, it was very fresh.
00:52:15 Patrick Martin LCSW
How exciting.
00:52:16 Hillary Walsh
I’m really excited about it.
00:52:18 Patrick Martin LCSW
And you said that?
00:52:18 Hillary Walsh
I showed it to my husband this morning over coffee and he’s like, wow, you’re like, so official.
00:52:18 Patrick Martin LCSW
The websites.
00:52:23 Patrick Martin LCSW
Right, I love it.
00:52:24 Patrick Martin LCSW
And I got immigration law made easy.
00:52:27 Patrick Martin LCSW
In a website.
00:52:28 Patrick Martin LCSW
And blog.
00:52:29 Hillary Walsh
Great YouTube channel, lots of content on there.
00:52:32 Hillary Walsh
We talk about trafficking every single Tuesday with one of our other attorneys who she is an expert on TV says.
00:52:40 Hillary Walsh
And trafficking is so common in the immigration community, labor trafficking in particular, and it’s.
00:52:48 Hillary Walsh
It’s not a Liam Neilson movie.
00:52:50 Hillary Walsh
It’s real life.
00:52:52 Patrick Martin LCSW
OK, so you’re holding out on me ’cause.
00:52:54 Patrick Martin LCSW
There’s so much important information here.
00:52:55 Hillary Walsh
Oh yeah, in our Facebook page.
00:52:57 Hillary Walsh
I really our website is kind of.
00:52:58 Hillary Walsh
Like our main client base is not going to go hang out on our website.
00:53:03 Hillary Walsh
They’re more they’re going to find us probably.
00:53:06 Hillary Walsh
Uhm, probably on Facebook and probably on on YouTube trying to answer trying to Google and answer questions.
00:53:13 Hillary Walsh
But that doesn’t mean that our main client base may find us there, but other people may find us here.
00:53:20 Hillary Walsh
And so we’re trying to get value anywhere you might turn.
00:53:23 Patrick Martin LCSW
I see.
00:53:24 Patrick Martin LCSW
What is your YouTube?
00:53:26 Hillary Walsh
It should just be new frontier immigration law, you know, we got lots of.
00:53:29 Patrick Martin LCSW
Oh, OK, I’m going to link up to everything in the show notes for everyone because.
00:53:31 Hillary Walsh
Stuff on here.
00:53:32 Hillary Walsh
Oh, thank you.
00:53:34 Hillary Walsh
Yeah, thank you so much.
00:53:35 Hillary Walsh
Hopefully there’s an answer in there that that gifts someone, even if it’s just this seems so complicated and yet I understand a little bit more, I get a little bit more.
00:53:36 Patrick Martin LCSW
You like?
00:53:49 Hillary Walsh
Agency in my life?
00:53:51 Hillary Walsh
Uhm, if I can gift that to somebody, that’s going to help them have more agency in their life in so many.
00:53:57 Hillary Walsh
Other places too.
00:53:59 Patrick Martin LCSW
That’s really the theme here, is you’re making yourself accessible, right?
00:54:02 Patrick Martin LCSW
I think that’s the biggest barriers people think, oh, you know, legal help is, you know, not for.
00:54:08 Patrick Martin LCSW
You know the non wealthy people who can’t afford you know who aren’t fortunate and not for privileged enough to have a beer making the information accessible between.
00:54:16 Patrick Martin LCSW
I mean an.
00:54:17 Patrick Martin LCSW
English and Spanish version of your website, a podcast, a YouTube channel.
00:54:23 Patrick Martin LCSW
You’re advocating for special needs and the victims within the those populations and trafficking and just so much there, the work you’re doing and you’re very, very humble and you don’t put your own horn, evidently, but.
00:54:36 Hillary Walsh
Well, I mean I I can’t do it. We have almost 100 people on staff. So like people will ask, especially in Mom related podcasts like how do you do everything? And the the real honest answer is you don’t you just fine.
00:54:51 Hillary Walsh
The favorite things that you’re good at and that make you feel good and make you feel like you know I’m on the right track.
00:54:57 Hillary Walsh
And you do those as much as you can, and there are crappy things you have to do too.
00:55:01 Hillary Walsh
But you don’t do everything.
00:55:03 Hillary Walsh
Or you burn out and and drink.
00:55:06 Hillary Walsh
A lot of worrying, apparently.
00:55:09 Patrick Martin LCSW
Funny, yeah indeed.
00:55:12 Patrick Martin LCSW
Well you’ve certainly put together as you said like a you know a list team and you know great great company and I’m excited to see where it goes next and.
00:55:21 Patrick Martin LCSW
I’ll definitely be checking out that podcast and, you know, referring, referring people to it.
00:55:25 Patrick Martin LCSW
It’s great work you’re doing.
00:55:25 Hillary Walsh
Thank you.
00:55:26 Hillary Walsh
Yeah, I super appreciate it.
00:55:29 Patrick Martin LCSW
Will you feel free to jump back on anytime you like and.
00:55:32 Hillary Walsh
I so appreciate it.
00:55:34 Hillary Walsh
I would love to have you on.
00:55:36 Hillary Walsh
We have a podcast called the Grateful Leader and it’s really just a passion project where we get to talk about.
00:55:43 Hillary Walsh
I I want to deconstruct this illusion that.
00:55:48 Hillary Walsh
Air quotes successful?
00:55:49 Hillary Walsh
Or the people who have it together, uhm, have it together, we really, really don’t.
00:55:55 Hillary Walsh
And that we have these defining moments in our lives.
00:55:58 Hillary Walsh
We can look back on those and and see that at the time they were happening, it was our rock bottom moment, but because of this, not in spite of it, but because of this event.
00:56:08 Hillary Walsh
We have this other superpower or skill or other little negative empathy that we wouldn’t have had.
00:56:15 Hillary Walsh
About it, and I’m sure in your field you have that too.
00:56:18 Hillary Walsh
They say that therapists you know, you don’t become a social worker or therapist if you two are not broken.
00:56:24 Hillary Walsh
Otherwise, you know, why would you?
00:56:25 Patrick Martin LCSW
Lots of truth to that.
00:56:25 Hillary Walsh
Why would you want to help heal?
00:56:27 Patrick Martin LCSW
I’ll just say I’m an underdog who who found a way out, so I’m trying to pay it forward.
00:56:33 Patrick Martin LCSW
Absolutely, yes.
00:56:33 Hillary Walsh
Yeah, I love it.
00:56:35 Hillary Walsh
Well, we will.
00:56:36 Hillary Walsh
We’ll have you on and you’ll get to have all my questions.
00:56:38 Patrick Martin LCSW
Yeah, yeah, excellent.
00:56:40 Hillary Walsh
I love it.
00:56:40 Patrick Martin LCSW
I would love that.
00:56:43 Patrick Martin LCSW
Thank you so much for your time, Hillary.
00:56:45 Patrick Martin LCSW
And I wish you a very pleasant week and continued growth in your your mission.
00:56:50 Hillary Walsh
Thank you so much.
00:56:51 Hillary Walsh
You as well.
00:56:51 Hillary Walsh
Thank you.
00:56:53 Patrick Martin LCSW
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